Vast: The Crystal Caverns - Second Printing with Miniatures

Created by Patrick Leder

Vast: The Crystal Caverns - Second Printing with Miniatures
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5,711 backers pledged $499,030.00 on Kickstarter

Raised in Kickstarter
$499,030.00 / 5,711 backers
Raised in BackerKit
$139,865.16 / 6,809 backers

Latest Updates from Our Project:

The Fearsome Foes
1 day ago – Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 01:53:47 AM

We have combined the three addon characters into one expansion and called it the Fearsome Foes. We contacted folks that only purchased one or two addons and asked if they wanted to trade up. If you still want only one character we will accommodate you. Its not too late to get all Fearsome Foes though, just contact Caryl (below). Here is the cover!

As many of you are aware the project is now late. The factory and I have been going back and forth with and it looks like the games will get here some time in December and we will then begin fulfillment. All of the English components are currently being printed. I apologize for the lateness I ran into a few problems that I could resolve with better planning. Here is what happened and my resolution to fix the process next time.


I spent many weeks after I left my last contacting job way overloaded. This lead to bad project management on my part. To resolve this I did some hiring, which also ate up time and I had to train people on the tasks I was doing as they left my plate. I’m really pleased with the result as about half my time is now spent in creative work and half is spent keeping the company running, but it did eat up some time.

Resolution: My new director of operations, Jacob Tonding, is very focused on timelines. We will build project plans as we go and he will hold me to a schedule.


The miniatures ran into a few problems. The sculptor had a family issue so we went way over the time we had scheduled to complete this part of the project. The originals were also held up for 6 weeks in customs in China. I feel like we were just getting shaken down but it took some time to get them moving again.

Resolution: Next time I do miniatures again I will have the majority if not all of them designed before I get to into the project.


Adding three more roles to the game and having time to balance them was a great effort. I want to commend the people that helped me, primarily Joshua Yearsley and Kyle Woelfel In addition there were many proofreaders thanks to the BGG forums and my other professional contacts.

Resolution: Not much to be done here. I wanted you all to have a quality product. Project management will help. In addition I have hired Cole Wehrle on as a Game Designer and Developer. He will keep me on task for writing rules in the future. He and I are working on a game we will announce soon as we finish researching the name so we don’t end up with a Trove situation again.


The factory is a bit behind. I can’t do anything about that. We will keep an eye on things and keep you posted.


I will talk about the non-English versions of Vast in a coming update. Everything is fine the layout is just really slow.


Changes You should be able to change your address yourself. Backerkit turned address changes back on.


As always if you need help the first and best way to communicate is to contact so Caryl can help you. If you contact me here I will probably direct you there.

Thanks everyone!

Patrick Leder


Customer Support/Translation/Miniatures/Addons
about 2 months ago – Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 08:53:35 PM


Contacting me here will do you almost no good! Please contact for all support issues. The messaging system on KS is difficult to track, its way better for you and us to email where we can sort and process the issues.

If you need to change addresses contact


The translations ran into some delays with personnel. Everything is fine the translations are done we are just waiting for layout to be completed. There is some back and forth with the translators as we proceed. 

Spanish - You can review the files here:

If you have any feedback I will set up a thread on BGG to discuss it. The Translation was provided by 2Tomatoes who will be providing logistical support in Spain and France. Be sure to check out their game Peak Oil.

German - We are almost done, they are just wrapping up a few questions.

The translation was provided by Board Game Circus whom you can check out here:

French - Layout has been started but isn’t complete yet. Translation was also provided by 2TOMATOES.

Portuguese - Translation is done we are waiting for layout and then co-production can start.


The Miniatures went into production ahead of the expansion material, as they take longer. The molds are currently being produced. Chad Hoverter and Patrick Fahy did an excellent job here. I made this video of the unboxing if you want to see. I did miss the Dragon Gems by accident. I will do another update with miniature pictures soon. I am hoping to have a full set with us at Gencon.


I am doing my final checks to the addons. Kyle Woelfel and Josh Yearsley have been hard at work getting them just so the last few months. We will send the files this or next week to start production.

Unfortunately it looks like we are going to be a little late. They will hit the water in September and I will start shipping them in October.

Kyle wrote a pretty good post here about the progress we are making. There are 32 cards now in the promotional pack.


Deep: Enemy Frontier is our upcoming asymmetric 4X game. I have recently done a search for more Developer talent to work with me on it and provide me time to focus on Vast (I have also added an operations person and soon someone to handle sales) .We will have Deep: Enemy Frontier to look at while we are at Gencon, Designer Sam Bailey will be on hand to run it and answers questions! Woo!

Vast: The Mysterious Manor

We will have Vast: The Mysterious Manor at Gencon also! I will be personally doing demos when I can since I want feedback. You can also hear Going Last talking about an early version of Vast: TMM at the top of their show.

Thanks, Patrick!

Backerkit Closing on May 10th 12pm EST
5 months ago – Sat, May 06, 2017 at 11:35:14 PM

Hey all,

Just a quick update to announce we'll be locking surveys, charging cards and finalizing everything on Backerkit on Wednesday May 10th. 

We're at the point where final numbers are being submitted to the factory and are still looking like we're on track for an August fulfillment for the English fulfillment of the following: promo cards, add-on characters, miniatures and upgrade packs :)

For anyone needing to change their address or alter anything with their survey from now til August, please email us at, rather than send us kickstarter messages since they are not monitored as regularly. 

And as always, feel free to email us at for any other inquiries as well!


Miniatures #2: The Roles
5 months ago – Wed, May 03, 2017 at 10:06:54 PM

Here is a peek at the miniatures for the roles.




The awake Dragon will have 2 horns. This photo is a bit older.


The Addon minis are being worked on. I will post them soon.

We are looking into colored plastics and make a decision after we see the cost.

Just a reminder that images here don't mean the miniatures suddenly materlized in the warehouse. They will be available when they ship in August. I will keep you updated if the timeline slips at all.

IF YOU NEED ANY HELP AT ALL with address changes, cancellations, missing parts, missing items please contact If you contact me here I am literally just going to send you there. Please be patient I am currently a 2.5 person operation and one of those people just draws pretty pictures all day.

Miniatures Addendum: Objects
5 months ago – Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 01:00:38 AM

 Hey folks, Patrick Fahy made these videos for you to see the miniatures being designed. I am working may way through the replacement queue and I am bringing in help to tackle it this weekend. Caryl is working through the email queue also. Thanks for your patience!